Im pretty sure the atf ruled the saiga as sporting for import purposes, did something else happen that is limiting us supply. We have more details on the new saiga12 being developed by izhmash. These magazines are manufactured in the us and count as 3 us made, 922r compliant, parts, therefore, accordingly marked made in the usa. This is a 6pack of 10round magazines in dark earth color for the saiga12 shotgun by agp arms, inc. Files are available under licenses specified on their description page. I been finding these saiga 12 s pretty cheap, ive also been finding the mags online too. The saiga 12 comes in several barrel lengths, with the 19. The saiga 12 is manufactured by the arms division of izhmash, in russia. The saiga 12 is the ultimate in semiautomatic firepowerinspired by the legendary ak47 and firing hardhitting 12gauge shotgun shells, its always. But if u want more fire power like the pump shotguns i would say spas12 all the way.
The saiga12 shotgun is one of those that could be in the personal defense department, but with it being a full automatic. This is the akx2s bullpup conversion kit for the ak47. Saiga 12 barrel shrouds will set your gun apart giving it a unique aggressive look. Saiga 12, lynx 12, ddi 12, cheetah 12 these are generation 3 gen 3 magazines. Saiga says its made in russia, so i think it should be better made than the romanian wasr 10. I purchased a saiga 12 from cdnn for 232 with tax and shipping. This is a firing demonstration of the ak47 x1 fmd rifle stock system as produced by cbrps, llc.
I prefer to download to 9 for this reason and the gun seems to more reliably feed the first round out. The parts were built in russia and was assembled here in the us. Comes with a 10 round magazine as well as a hunting legal 5 round magazine. New vepr 12 vpo205sut03sb is a russian made shotgun with chrome lined barrel and reliable magazine fed ak action. Sep 15, 2009 one izhmash, model saiga, 12 gauge semiautomatic shotgun, serial number 01409000. Model saiga, 12 gauge semiautomatic shotgun, serial number 01409000. D maybe its not the answer u wanted but i dont know much about the different ammo types. One izhmash, model saiga, 12 gauge semiautomatic shotgun, serial number 01409000 plaintiff. Jul 30, 20 ok so i decided to shoot my saiga 12 and my vepr 12 to see which i like better. I was told it should be tuned, but i still had fte and feeding issues occur after receiving the saiga 12 back. I think the saiga is the best semi shotgun, even better then the auto shotties.
We bring the best of both worlds together by building our firearms on the original russian designs and adding american innovation to the manufacturing process. Legion offers read the description of the modifications to the constructions, features of the weapon, similar differences from shotguns saiga. Yioull be playing for a long time before you unlock either. Ok so i decided to shoot my saiga 12 and my vepr 12 to see which i like better. These iconic saiga drum magazines are crafted from lightweight, ultradurable zytel polymer with heattreated chrome silicon internal springs for maximum reliability. Saiga12, lynx12, ddi12, cheetah12 these are generation 3 gen 3 magazines. Whats the cost of the getting a saiga with everything needed to convert it to be more like an ak47 vs a stock wasr10 and if you know a wasr 10 with the common problem parts changed to make it a better rifle 30 rd. The saiga 12s action is based on the ak47 just enlarged, and certain changes were made, in order to make this shotgun importable under us import and firearms laws. Mar 28, 2011 the saiga 12s action is based on the ak47 just enlarged, and certain changes were made, in order to make this shotgun importable under us import and firearms laws. I have one and it looks just like an ak for the most part. I have a saiga 12 that has a lot of aftermarket parts on it. The fostech origin12 shotgun is a shortbarreled powerhouse based on the ak and fed by detachable magazines and drums. At close range, rushing usas12 users with high dps weapons like the mp220 or saiga12 can take them out before they deal significant damage to you.
Currently, izmash is showing the shotgun at various shooting events and expos and is planning on shipping it to the consumer market in late 2012 or in the early part of 20. Has picatinny rails all around for attachments, sliding buttstock, custom muzzle break, and a real eotech 512 on top. Here are things that saiga 12 can do that mp220 cant. This changes everything, this baby is in all categories. Todays challenge im using the usas 12 with frag rounds to get kills in battlefield 3.
The only objective difference between them is that the usas 12 has a higher rpm obvious. Take a sec to ratefav this video to support my channel. The saiga 12 incorporates an adjustable twoposition gas system, for the reason that firing high power loads such as slugs and buckshot generates so much force that the receiver will be damaged if the full power of the gas system is employed without some sort of recoil buffer. The daewoo precision industries usas12 is an automatic shotgun manufactured in south korea by daewoo precision industries during the. Usas12 internet movie firearms database guns in movies, tv. The monstrum tactical saiga 1220 shotgun quad rail handguard is built for use on saiga 12 gauge and saiga 20 gauge shotgun models and allows for the mounting of tactical accessories such as foregrips, flashlights, and laser sights. Akdal mka 1919 or saiga 12 ga the leading glock forum. I been finding these saiga 12s pretty cheap, ive also been finding the mags online too. Be sure to check out and make a create your own barrel shroud for a custom look. However, the saiga does have it beat with capacity, with 8, 10, and 12 round mags, and the 20 round drums while the akdal is still limited to 5 round magazines until someone makes higher capacity ones. The quad rail fits saiga shotgun models only and includes interchangeable top rails, 10.
That was the aa12 wasnt it not trolling man, its a sweet setup for the saiga. My experiences with the usas 12 are this it weigh twices what a saiga 12 weighs, and jammed alot, it also wears down considerably fas. But that should answer your question, everyone uses the usas and frags. Notice that unlike the original usas12 seen above, the cq version lacks the front sight, and also has a. The trouble with the saiga and brass for me is it launches it so far i cant find it. Legion offers read the description of the modifications to the constructions, features of.
Russian semiautomatic shotgun with a detachable magazine vepr 12 calibre. The 12 has more ammo choices, the magazines can fire both 2 34 and 3 inch shells not that i ever shoot 3 inch shells, and a bigger chance of someone producing 810 round magazines domestically, or at least importing the. Other improvements include a self regulating gas system that doesnt. I have one of the first 12cs and love it i will admit i have been having issues, but that is traced back to certain types of ammo. The saiga 12 is the standard rock and lock saiga without the upgraded mag well. The saiga 12 selfloading smooth bored shotgun is intended for professional and sport hunting of smalland mediumsize game under any climatic conditions. After modification, all fla converted shotguns are tested for reliability by firing a minimum of 40 rounds of low brass bulk pack bargain mart ammo. Saiga 12k vs spas 12 forums battlelog battlefield 3. It operates mostly the same with a few differences.
Jan 10, 2012 saiga says its made in russia, so i think it should be better made than the romanian wasr 10. The most overpowered gun in battlefield 3usas12 frag. The daewoo precision industries usas12 is an automatic shotgun manufactured in south. All saiga12 configurations are recognizable as kalashnikovpattern guns by the large leversafety on. Saiga is a 3d rendering library that provides access to native geospatial formats, elevation data sets and ogc web mapping services wms.
Its a gun still very much in the traditional shotgun style, with a tube fed magazine with a maximum size of 10 rounds, and traditio. My saiga isnt converted because im in california but if i lived in another state the 1st thing i would do is convert it which will improve the trigger when the trigger parts are swapped out. As already mentioned, the saiga 12 is a semiauto loader. My experiences with the usas12 are this it weigh twices what a saiga 12 weighs, and jammed alot, it. This is an arguement that has been on going between me and a usas 12 fanboyby fanboy i mean hes never shot the gun. By the time you do, the usas 12 and frags would be nerfed to stupidity. Like the kalashnikov rifle variants, it is a rotating bolt, gasoperated gun that feeds from a box magazine. As i reported back in may, a new saiga12 shotgun has been designed for the competition market. Ak12s tactical shotgun is a solid alternative for those european shooters who seek a saigastyle shotgun thats unaffected by the sanctions, thats as tacticool as it can get, thats ready to roll right out of the box and ready to be fitted with aftermarket accessories at the shooters whim and will. Mine currently has a slightly modified stock, css safety, css reliability kit, rock n load, suppressor, side mount with trijicon rmr. Here are things that saiga12 can do that mp220 cant. When on the low brass setting the md arms vplug plug better utilizes the gas from the low power ammo, slightly increasing the cycling power of the gun.
The usas12 is one of the few fully automatic shotgun to actually be put into mass production. Saiga12 full auto shotgun american shooting journal. The saiga12 selfloading smooth bored shotgun is intended for professional and sport hunting of smalland mediumsize game under any climatic conditions. May 29, 2012 we have more details on the new saiga 12 being developed by izhmash. Let me know if you have a terrible weapon setup that you would like me to try next. This is a promag polymer 20round drum magazine for saiga 12 shotguns. I keep reading all these posts that talk about the 922r compliance stuff, and thats great an all, but what i want to know is what is the difficulty level of converting the shotgun to a pistol grip, hi cap mag gun.
Carolina shooters supply is well known for providing the highest customer service and satisfaction for competition and recreational. This is a discussion on saiga 12 within the shotguns forums, part of the gun forums category. People forget that u can reaload that thing amazingly fast, coz of its mag clip. Rating is available when the video has been rented. Think the biggest thing about this saiga being full automatic is just pure fun of shooting it, we all love things that goes full auto. Your whole argument against saiga is to talk about one specific matchup instead of actually talking about the gun in general.
Arsenal sgl 1294 law enforcement variation saiga 12 shotgun. Whether it be a basic conversion or a tricked out sbs short barreled shotgun. Tromix is currently developing some fun accessories for it, and they have already made an sbs version of it that looks pretty sweet. One izhmash, model saiga, 12 gauge semiautomatic shotgun, serial number 01409000. And the biggest benefit of the vplug is it has 4 different medium to high brass settings. Warsaw pact length folding buttstock, pistol grip and trigger group. This is a 6pack of 10round magazines in dark earth color for the saiga 12 shotgun by agp arms, inc.
Ak12s tactical shotgun is a solid alternative for those european shooters who seek a saiga style shotgun thats unaffected by the sanctions, thats as tacticool as it can get, thats ready to roll right out of the box and ready to be fitted with aftermarket accessories at the shooters whim and will. Saiga12 custom conversion and reliability modifications. Kalashnikov usa is the manufacturer of true, authentic ak platform firearms here in the usa. The usas 12 in battlefield 3 with frag rounds is a handheld light tank. But what good is a pistol grip saiga12 that only runs expensive high brass ammo, possibly not reliably. Sell your saiga 12 gauge for free today on gunsamerica. Monstrum tactical saiga 12 20 shotgun quad rail 12 ga.
Rear sight is of ghost ring type which can accept a replaceable aperture aperture shown for illustration only. This model has 14 barrel and permanently attached muzzle brake sutaev that brings it to 18 total barrel length. This saiga is an actual russian one and not one of the american made copies. As i reported back in may, a new saiga 12 shotgun has been designed for the competition market. This kit allows you to have an sbr length firearm without having to jump through atf sbr hoops. Usas12 vs aa12 operation 7 loquendo papicordoba youtube. The daewoo precision industries usas12 universal sporting automatic shotgun 12 gauge is a gasoperated, selective fire weapon, designed to provide.
No one uses frags with the saiga that ive seen anyway quote i ran into a dude last night that was using the dao 12 with frag rounds. Executive order 662 wikisource, the free online library. The saiga has the same buckshotflechette cone and the same damage per pellet as the usas 12. This 12 gauge shotguns features a smooth bore barrel with a chrome bore and chamber, adjustable gas system, providing for shooting shot and slugs, including magnum, with a shotshell length of 2. Front sight is made from 1018 case hardened steel, clamps on barrel and features an ar15 front post and detent. There is really no reason to use the saiga if you have the usas 12. The vepr 12 comes standard with the mag well and requires no rocking into place like most ak type of firearms. When that chinese dude says keep that crap off my ak, he is referring to utg and tapco specifically ace is good to go. How does remington 1100 compares to saiga12 semiautomatic. Blocking property of additional persons contributing to the situation in ukraine. I had my saiga 12 get converted and fixed up by tac 47. Since 2006 the saiga12 has seen increased popularity by competitive and recreational shooters. The 2 setting factory saiga12 plug isnt even close to sufficient for the variations of 12ga ammo.
By the authority vested in me as president by the constitution and the laws of the united states of america, including the international emergency economic powers act 50 u. Usas frag rounds terrible weapon challenge battlefield. Mp220 matchup is around even and depend on player skills, but thats as far as ill talk about this. The saiga12 is manufactured by the arms division of izhmash, in russia. Saiga 12 shotgun, le variation, 12gauge, 19 barrel at kvar. Set you saiga apart with a kinetitech shroud today. All structured data from the file and property namespaces is available under the creative commons cc0 license. Now you can have a saiga shotgun with the same fit and finish as our sgl21 and 31 series rifles. One of the reasons fla conversion cost more than other companies conversion offerings. The saiga12 incorporates an adjustable twoposition gas system, for the reason that firing high power loads such as slugs and buckshot generates so much force that the receiver will be damaged if the full power of the gas system is employed without some sort of recoil buffer. That was the aa 12 wasnt it not trolling man, its a sweet setup for the saiga. The 1100 was arguably the first truly successful semiauto shotgun. This is an arguement that has been on going between me and a usas12 fanboyby fanboy i mean hes never shot the gun.
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